Fascinating story from TPM. Here’s the key chart:

I find this fascinating. The obvious interpretation is that the religious right is driving people away from Christianity, and that the New Atheists are finding success with their efforts. I think that’s part of it. What also needs to be mentioned here is how these trends match up with the rise of self-help pastors and prosperity gospelers as the increasingly dominant face of Christianity. It’s not like those kinds of guys weren’t around before, but during the mid-to-late 2000s, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen (and head P.G.er T.D. Jakes) became gurus in the way that Billy Graham and Pat Robertson were in the 1970s and 1980s. Say what you like about the latter two, but they didn’t reduce the complexities of Christianity into a way of making life a bit less of a bummer. The former contingent largely have. My feeling from the start was that the self-help pastors were a direct response to the previous generation of Christian leaders, an attempt to combine largely the same right-wing ideas (both Warren and Osteen are culture warriors, they just don’t shout about it) with a comforting, more positive religious message. Really, Christian culture has been consciously moving in that direction ever since the mid-90s at least, when Christian Rock was exhaustively marketed as positive and uplifting (as tacitly opposed to that Kurt Cobain guy).
It might seem deeply perverse that people would be more repelled by honey than vinegar. After all, Gen X placed only slightly below the other generations in terms of belief in God, and they faced an even blunter barrage of awfulness from the old school of political preachers. But perhaps it’s not so strange. If Falwell and Robertson are the religious right’s figureheads, it’s easy enough for Christians of a more tolerant bent to dismiss them and go about their lives. But Osteen and Warren aren’t offering a white-hot vision of morality, sin and redemption, they’re basically offering what Dr. Phil offers, what Oprah used to offer, which is feel-good airiness (though with a hint of scripture, unlike Oprah, who would naturally include citations from The Secret). This is a very different dynamic. All that sin and redemption stuff has a deep resonance, whether you attribute it to a soul or merely to cultural conditioning. But self-help, feel-good material doesn’t really work the same way. My instinct (and I’m sure this is true of a lot of people too) is to be skeptical of such things, to assume it’s a heist or something that semi-smart people will read and talk about how it changed their lives, but when you watch them, they don’t actually seem any different. Such thing are generally a target for mockery. There aren’t very many people who treat Bryan Fischer or Tony Perkins (two of the more visible classic religious right types who don’t have nearly the clout that Warren and Osteen do) as nothing but a target for mockery, because what they say works people into an enormous lather, agree with them or not. Their take on humanity, however backward and bigoted, is at least rooted in reasonably universal and deep currents of the psyche. That it makes you and me angry to read, proves it. With the self-help pastors, there’s nothing even to get angry about, because there’s nothing to get excited about on the other side, either. If the point of Christianity is just to live a slightly happier life, people are going to just figure, why should I care? And the answer seems to be that they don’t.
Anyway, this news doesn’t really upset me too much. I wish the Atheists success, actually. John Lanchester argued in I.O.U. that capitalism became complacent after the Cold War ended because there was no longer any need to compete to prove it was the best system–it was now globally ascendant and the argument was settled. Since then, the complacency has been nonstop in the form of Enron and Lehman and Bear Stearns, etc. A lack of competition breeds complacency, which is exactly what has happened in American religion. If Christians start to think they need to actually compete with Atheism in offering a compelling and nonreactionary creed instead of merely demonizing it, I don’t see how that’s a bad thing.
Leave a Reply Cancel reply
Hors D’oeuvres
Tsarnaev going to go through the criminal justice system. The right choice, but somehow I knew the Administration would call this one right. This is one thing they’ve been both right and firm on in the past. (2 comments)I'll Say It Until I'm Blue In The Face
As we all know by now, you’re as likely to be injured in a terrorist attack as much as we are likely to ever suffer an appropriate reaction to a mass killing after 9/11. Just sayin’. (0 comments)The Obama Administration is threatening to veto SOPA/PIPA’s cousin CISPA. Much as I rag on those guys at times, they have a very good record on opposing these sorts of internet invasion bills, and I’m happy to give credit when it is due. (1 comments)Which One Are You -- Tim Conway or Don Knotts?
Via TPM, sounds like South Carolina’s Rollercoaster of Love is ratcheting up the incline o’perversity agin’:Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford must appear in court two days after running for a vacant congressional seat to answer a complaint that he trespassed at his ex-wife’s home, according to court documents acquired by The Associated Press on Tuesday. > more ... (0 comments)
Actual Living Pro-labor Republicans Sighted?
Given that the bill itself seems to be redundant–a bill requiring the NLRB to observe quorum rules?–to the extent that voting for it is essentially a slap at labor, the Republican no votes here are probably a legit accounting of which House Repubs aren’t completely antagonistic to labor. The number appears to be ten, though > more ... (4 comments)I honestly hadn’t given it too much thought, and was probably disposed against it just because of who was for it, but Emily makes a very strong case for why Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard ought to be released from prison. She argues that it makes sense on humanitarian and political grounds, and I agree with > more ... (0 comments)This Is What the Internets Were Made For
As much as I love WJHL’s article Witnesses: Man drove 90 mph with genitals hanging out the window (and with lines like:At over 90 miles per hour, he had his penis out [the window]… he was masturbating… and that’s when it got really, really bad. I wouldn’t look over any more, and I wrote his tag number down on my hand, which I believe he noticed, and he exited very quickly.
> more ... (0 comments)An unintentional libertarian anthem/meditation from Sully at the Dish:By then, the subtleties, the mixes of CBD and THC, the nuances of sativa and indica strains will all be turned by the genius of the free market into something quite marvelous. We will finally have made of this weed what was long made of the simple grape. And we will all be happier.
> more ... (0 comments)Jack Shafer says “Foreign Correspondents”: Pyongyang reliably remains defiant; talks have resumed or been proposed, canceled, or stalled, while a U.S. envoy seeks to lure the North back to those talks to restart the dialog; North Korea is bluffing, blustering, or is engaging in brinksmanship; tensions are grim, rising, or growing—but rarely reduced, probably because > more ... (0 comments)Not Too Tired To Fight, Just Too Bored This Time
If it’s okay with you, I’m just going to take a powder on this one. It’s only minimally news, we knew that Obama wants to cut “entitlements” already, only now he’s just putting it in an official document that is going to be duly ignored by Paul Ryan in a matter of months. The article > more ... (0 comments)Plebs is coming to ITV: httpv://youtu.be/xlm1VAN4XXQ Somewhat tangentially, I ran across a Cicero quote just recently impuning the moral fiber of the poor; it reminded me of our own current and continuing struggle with the morality of poverty: Gaius Gracchus passed a grain law: this delighted the plebs, for an abundance of food could now be had > more ... (0 comments)What's the average amount of times a smartphone user visits Facebook per day?
Fourteen. I’m a little under that, with zero on most days. Really, Facebook is only still useful to me as a way of handling event correspondence, which coupled with the (fairly nominal but needless and annoying) social effects of closing my account is the reason why I still have it. In a word, inertia. Y’all > more ... (2 comments)I Am Gonna Get Pranked *Hard* Come April Fool's Day
What with one thing or another — brain cells giving their final, weak-ass fuck; supposed leaders of society running around like they lost their damn minds; dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria — I find I can no longer tell what’s an actual news story anymore, and what’s some made-up middle-school fart-type-joke. Via the Raw > more ... (2 comments)Ketchikan’s KRBD recently broadcast a story about Congressman Don Young (R-AK). In one segment, Young waxed nostalgic about Tha Browns of his youth: My father had a ranch. We used to hire 50 to 60 wetbacks to pick tomatoes, you know. It takes two people to pick the same tomatoes now. It’s all done by machine. Today’s > more ... (0 comments)New Hampshire is moving forward with repeal of the state Stand Your Ground law. Of course, New Hampshire is a “blue” state generally. But it’s quite gun-friendly, with a pronounced libertarian ethos. So this could be a somewhat risky move, and if you read the article, it looks like the paranoiac NRA-loving assholes are in rare > more ... (0 comments)You know what pisses me off? Any jibber jabber at SCOTUS about hurting the fee fees of backward states like Alabama. The question is whether legislating against gays marrying (like legislating against different races marrying) violates equal protection. None of this has anything to do with whether southern governors will have a Sad, or > more ... (1 comments)Recent Trackbacks
- Political Analytical – Insight and Analysis on Politics and Reason: Mike’s Blog Round Up
- Library Grape: What the Crippity-Crap?
- I Want My Mommy!: /* */ /* */ Francis Sedgemore – journalist and science writerCrooked Timber — Out of...
- Balloon Juice: Career opportunities
- Library Grape: It's Shit Like This....
Esteemed Wineries
- American Times
- Andrew Sullivan
- Ars Technica
- Atheist Revolution
- Balloon Juice
- Crooks and Liars
- Daniel Larison
- Emily L. Hauser
- Ezra Klein
- FrumForum
- Glenn Greenwald
- Jonathan Chait
- Kevin Drum
- League of Ordinary Gentlemen
- Little Green Footballs
- Matthew Yglesias
- Palin Watch
- Pharyngula
- Radley Balko
- Right Wing Watch
- Ta-Nehisi Coates
- The A.V. Club
- TPM Muckraker
- Unreasonable Faith
- Washington Independent
- Washington Monthly
THE GRAPEVINE
Tasting Menu
- Evening Music Party - History Repeating
- When Will GOP Blame Swine Flu On Obama?
- Summary of the GOP's First 100 Days
- Something finally happened in Canada
- Inevitable Bush Reappraisal Post
- What Is Meant By The Expression, Damning With Faint Praise?
- Obama 100 Days News Conference - Video and Reactions
- Better To Give The Benefit Of The Doubt To ABC News Or A Proven, Serial Liar Like Breitbart?
- Republican Infants Can't Avoid Whining About Date Night
- Political Independents - A Growth Industry!
Post Cellar
- April 2013 (31)
- March 2013 (56)
- February 2013 (42)
- January 2013 (71)
- December 2012 (67)
- November 2012 (40)
- October 2012 (44)
- September 2012 (35)
- August 2012 (39)
- July 2012 (36)
- June 2012 (35)
- May 2012 (42)
- April 2012 (42)
- March 2012 (64)
- February 2012 (71)
- January 2012 (67)
- December 2011 (57)
- November 2011 (72)
- October 2011 (63)
- September 2011 (55)
- August 2011 (53)
- July 2011 (44)
- June 2011 (71)
- May 2011 (91)
- April 2011 (101)
- March 2011 (104)
- February 2011 (96)
- January 2011 (71)
- December 2010 (73)
- November 2010 (59)
- October 2010 (80)
- September 2010 (64)
- August 2010 (39)
- July 2010 (46)
- June 2010 (27)
- May 2010 (54)
- April 2010 (34)
- March 2010 (38)
- February 2010 (47)
- January 2010 (62)
- December 2009 (57)
- November 2009 (72)
- October 2009 (76)
- September 2009 (50)
- August 2009 (85)
- July 2009 (56)
- June 2009 (141)
- May 2009 (103)
- April 2009 (113)
- March 2009 (66)
- February 2009 (43)
- January 2009 (87)
- December 2008 (18)
Wine Labels
2012 Election 2012 Elections Abortion Barack Obama Bullshit Bush Christianity Congress Conservatives Democrats Economy Fail Foreign Policy Fox News Gay Marriage Hatred Health Care Ignorance Insanity Iran Law LGBT Issues Libertarianism Lies Media Mitt Romney Music Paul Ryan Policy Polls Quotes Racism Rebuttals Recession Republicans Right Wing Sarah Palin Scandal Stupidity Teabaggers Torture Truth Video War Crimes War on Terror


The thing I love about that chart is that the question is “i never doubt the existence of god”. The fact that over 80% of people answer that question in the affirmative is such a steaming pile of horseshit. That is SUCH faith masturbation (i.e., getting off on how holy one perceives oneself to be).
Come to think about it, perhaps this question could be flipped (and the responses changed to be, you know, FACTUAL) to be like the reliable joke about a poll on who admits to masturbating: “when asked if they ever doubt the existence of god, 99% said yes and the other 1% are lying.”
All joking aside, if we use occam’s razor here, the simplest explanation for the numbers in that chart is that younger people today probably don’t feel as much community conformist pressure to be perfect little christian soldiers, which naturally leads to there being less bald-faced fucking liars (as compared to their parents’ generation) who would offer up such an obvious lie when asked that question.
I think that we are seeing a reaction to the huge group of so called “Christian” who can not live the life but are prepared to pass all kinds of laws to make everyone else try and lie what they cannot. If you are for passing laws to make people believe such and such religious dogma then you are not a Christian as you are suppose to be living your life as an example for others.
Pretty much, yes.