Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of a massive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget.> more ... (0 comments)
Yesterday the Dish quoted Gregg Easterbrook:
Wealthy people who say the rich should pay higher taxes — Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have joined Obama in declaring this — are free to tax themselves. If you believe the top rate should rise to 39.6 percent (Obama) or 50 percent (Buffett), then calculate the difference and send a check for that amount to the Treasury. Of course no one individual doing this, even a billionaire, would have much impact on the deficit. But if rich people who say they believe in higher taxes were willing to practice what they preach, this would prove their sincerity, making legislation on the point more likely.
Presumably Obama and Buffett don’t send such checks to the Treasury because they believe they have better things to do with that money. Being a candidate for president can get expensive, after all–and Mr. Buffett probably thinks his vast charitable donations do considerably more worthwhile good than Uncle Sam would, dollar for dollar.
But the double standard is telling: While Obama and Buffett think they’re putting their own money to better use than the US Treasury would, they don’t support other billionaire and multi-millionaires’ right to make their own call. Their support for higher taxes is thus a transparent desire to appropriate other people’s money for government use (which they apparently have greater faith in when it comes to other people’s, but not their own).
This brings me back to something Lev wrote while blogging about Atlas Shrugged:
When you get down to it, Objectivism and Communism are utopias of different forms. One says not to help out anyone, to let them stand on their own two feet. But this ignores the human tendency toward compassion, a strong urge in most people.
I’ve never read Ayn Rand or anything Objectivist, and don’t much care about them or the latest in bad cinema (my guys are Friedman and Hayek). But insofar as libertarianism is thought to parallel Objectivism here, let me address it.
Libertarianism is fine with the human tendency towards compassion. We say you should have ample freedom to be compassionate with your own resources; the giving of your money and time to charitable causes (or if you’re feeling terribly inefficient, to the U.S. Treasury) is perfectly appropriate and laudable. (Although libertarianism per se is amoral, taking no stance on what you do with your money–only that you should have the freedom to choose.)
What libertarians don’t support (indeed, vehemently oppose) is the pernicious idea that taxes should force other people to put their resources towards your (or a democratic majority’s) preferred statist ends. Being a good Samaritan with other people’s time and money is a morally worthless and tragically misguided cause–most especially when it results in absurd implicit marginal tax rates. Europe is, of course, worse. Basically, our human tendency toward compassion should always be charitable–never forced nor an entitlement.
Now, U.S. tax law is far from perfect and in dire need of overhaul. Pretty much everybody agrees on this except the makers of Turbo Tax, H&R Block, and lobbyists for companies benefiting from write-offs (e.g. General Electric, as was recently in the news). So let’s fix those things, and let’s bring revenue and spending on a sustainable path. But all this is independent of the misguided idea of taxation in the name of compassion. We can easily do it with flatter effective tax rates. And from a standpoint of sheer utilitarian economic efficiency, we should.
Leave a Reply Cancel reply
Hors D’oeuvres
Watching a Jerk Seize Main Chance
I so called this (pinkey swear) but I didn’t want to be the jerk who forecast somebody else f*ckin’ this particular chicken so soon:Judge Posner for the Win: Drastic Action Necessary To Un-F*ck U.S. Patent Regime
Sometimes you really have to hand it to Judge Posner.The sheer number of patents in the U.S. is fueling frivolous litigation and drastic action is needed to make patents more difficult to obtain and easier to invalidate, U.S. Circuit Judge Richard Posner of the Seventh Circuit said Tuesday. > more ... (0 comments)
I continue to think that there’s no deeper scandal on Benghazi and that the IRS issue is not really something I’m inclined to worry about as it wasn’t national policy, the AP scandal is something that is very worrisome as it clearly was national policy and exposes one of the more disgraceful areas of the > more ... (1 comments)Rep. Michele Bachmann Threatens To Leave Minnesota Over Gay Marriage
So much awesome:Congresswoman Michele Bachmann threatened to leave Minnesota today if the state goes ahead with its plans to legalize gay marriage. In an interview with a local television station, the conservative firebrand said she believes God will destroy Minneapolis once the legislation is enacted, and wants to be far away when the reckoning happens. > more ... (4 comments)
Polled GOP Respondents Say Obama Hangnail Worse Than Holocaust
Announcement: Ignorant fucktards who think all this Benghazi bullshit is the worst thing to to happen since Jesus died are required to report to their local suicide booth immediately.… there’s no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history > more ... (2 comments)
Bioshock Infinite Causes Christian Gamer To Cry And Make Piddles
Some excitable christian fundamentalist nerd got all worked up into a lather because the game Bioshock Infinite required the main character to undergo a baptism.“As baptism of the Holy spirit is at the center of Christianity – of which I am a devout believer – I am basically being forced to make a choice between committing extreme blasphemy by my actions > more ... (1 comments)
Just read this: This afternoon Senator Reid asked unanimous consent to go to conference on the concurrent resolution on the Budget. Senator Cruz was unavailable to be on the floor at this time to object. Out of respect for the long tradition of comity in the Senate, Senator Reid withdrew his request. Your eyes might drift to > more ... (1 comments)
As some of you have noticed, the site has been experiencing intermittent availability issues over the past many months. I’ve been working with our hosting company to try to find and fix the problem(s) – but they’ve proven themselves to be feckless, yet earnest. > more ... (0 comments)Why It's Important For Atheists To Stop Worrying About Religionists' Fee-Fees
Sean Carroll rightly calling on atheists to speak out and stop being polite about it:We have a responsibility to get the word out—to not be wishy-washy on the question of religion as a way of knowing, but to be clear and direct and loud about how reality really works. > more ... (1 comments)
We Paid For the Shadow Demon, We're Gonna Use the Shadow Demon
I realize that of all things featured in life’s rich tapestry this hardly rates a mention, but apparently another Dungeons and Dragons movie is making noise in the ‘Wood: The studio is actually quite far along in the development of the project, as it will use a script by Wrath Of The Titans and Red Riding > more ... (1 comments)The Loudly Ignorant Become Less So Once Shown They're Ignorant
I’m surprised that any of the fervently ignorant people surveyed in this study ever ended up moderating their positions. I wonder if the researchers included teabaggers in the sample population…
Four researchers at three different institutions joined forces to ask a simple question: why is it that people have such extreme positions on subjects that are rather complicated and nuanced? > more ... (0 comments)
I’m a sucker for arty books and paper inventions. (Not necessarily books about art, although those can be interesting too, if unaccountably heavy and given to making my floors creak.) The Museum of Lost Wonder, various items in the Wondermark Goodsery (no relation), the Edward Gorey Dracula Playset (of course), and pop-up books of > more ... (0 comments)Today's Trivia: Presidential IQs
Just found this Wikipedia list that has IQ scores for all U.S. Presidents (excluding Obama). The biggest surprise is how low Wilson comes considering his background and education, though it kinda makes sense considering how much stock he put in his own intellect, only to make the same mistakes again and again and never learn > more ... (1 comments)Says Library Right There in the Title, That's Why
Apparently, folks ain’t yet tired of shifting water from Bucket A to Bucket B and back, or of moving piles of sand about with tweezers, and took the opportunity last year to piss in over 450 collective libraries’ ears regarding such nefarious libri malvagi as Captain Underpants and The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time > more ... (0 comments)Do a Little Dance, Make a Little Love
Watched the Spike Jonze Director’s Series collection last night — man, I had not realized he had his fingers in so many of my yewt’s wonderful musical pies. Cannonball? Check. Sabotage? Check-check. Da Funk? Checkity-check-check. But what really made me want to do a little dance and/or make a little love was watching Christopher > more ... (0 comments)Recent Trackbacks
- Library Grape: Let Them Eat Cat Food: Santorum Calls For Americans To Suffer More
- vegasjessie: Dangerous Fundamentalism: The Taliban and the American Tealiban
- Political Analytical – Insight and Analysis on Politics and Reason: Mike’s Blog Round Up
- Library Grape: What the Crippity-Crap?
- I Want My Mommy!: /* */ /* */ Francis Sedgemore – journalist and science writerCrooked Timber — Out of...
Esteemed Wineries
- American Times
- Andrew Sullivan
- Ars Technica
- Atheist Revolution
- Balloon Juice
- Crooks and Liars
- Daniel Larison
- Emily L. Hauser
- Ezra Klein
- FrumForum
- Glenn Greenwald
- Jonathan Chait
- Kevin Drum
- League of Ordinary Gentlemen
- Little Green Footballs
- Matthew Yglesias
- Palin Watch
- Pharyngula
- Radley Balko
- Right Wing Watch
- Ta-Nehisi Coates
- The A.V. Club
- TPM Muckraker
- Unreasonable Faith
- Washington Independent
- Washington Monthly
THE GRAPEVINE
Tasting Menu
- Ann Coulter Attacks The Faith of Notre Dame Students and Faculty
- Idiot of the Day: Damn Blondes
- Better Late Than Never
- Obama's Masterful Speech to Joint Session of Congress - Video
- Stephen Hawking Not Killed By U.K. Health Care System
- Yes, This Is An Actual Commercial
- Influential Rightwing Bloggers Rank Most Respected Public Figures
- Too Bad The '80s Aren't Coming Back
- Wingnut Radio Host Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture
- Movie Dubbing Sucks
Post Cellar
- May 2013 (30)
- April 2013 (36)
- March 2013 (56)
- February 2013 (42)
- January 2013 (71)
- December 2012 (67)
- November 2012 (40)
- October 2012 (44)
- September 2012 (35)
- August 2012 (39)
- July 2012 (36)
- June 2012 (35)
- May 2012 (42)
- April 2012 (42)
- March 2012 (64)
- February 2012 (71)
- January 2012 (67)
- December 2011 (57)
- November 2011 (72)
- October 2011 (63)
- September 2011 (55)
- August 2011 (53)
- July 2011 (44)
- June 2011 (71)
- May 2011 (91)
- April 2011 (101)
- March 2011 (104)
- February 2011 (96)
- January 2011 (71)
- December 2010 (73)
- November 2010 (59)
- October 2010 (80)
- September 2010 (64)
- August 2010 (39)
- July 2010 (46)
- June 2010 (27)
- May 2010 (54)
- April 2010 (34)
- March 2010 (38)
- February 2010 (47)
- January 2010 (62)
- December 2009 (57)
- November 2009 (72)
- October 2009 (76)
- September 2009 (50)
- August 2009 (85)
- July 2009 (56)
- June 2009 (141)
- May 2009 (103)
- April 2009 (113)
- March 2009 (66)
- February 2009 (43)
- January 2009 (87)
- December 2008 (18)
Wine Labels
2012 Election 2012 Elections Abortion Barack Obama Bullshit Bush Christianity Congress Conservatives Democrats Economy Fail Foreign Policy Fox News Gay Marriage Hatred Health Care Ignorance Insanity Iran Law LGBT Issues Libertarianism Lies Media Mitt Romney Music Paul Ryan Policy Polls Quotes Racism Rebuttals Recession Republicans Right Wing Sarah Palin Scandal Stupidity Teabaggers Torture Truth Video War Crimes War on Terror

Yeah, libertarianism is not directly comparable to Objectivism. I’m well familiar with both, having once been the former and having read/discussed the latter countless times. Libertarianism isn’t opposed to private charity--indeed, it seems to encourage it. Objectivism actually considers charity a moral failing.
You know, I’ve heard the “people should just be charitable” reasoning a few times now, and something about it just doesn’t sit right with me. It’s ironic that the central libertarian/conservative critique of welfare programs has been that they are dignity-sapping and degrading, fostering a cycle of dependence, when saying that people should rely on others’ charity to survive strikes me as an even more extreme example of that. I’m a believer in charity myself, but far better as far as I’m concerned to decide a minimum acceptable standard of living, design a program to deliver it, and rely on charity to carry people further than that. And in a lot of areas, like endangered species, relying on charity is clearly subpar because that means you get lots of cute baby koalas but some of the less cute (but important) species get jack.
Also, you ought to realize that hypocrisy and being against unilateral disarmament are not the same thing. It’s true that Buffett could tax himself, but this is just the flip side of Republicans inveighing against government healthcare while being a part of Medicare. I think they should have it, I just wish they would think a little more about what they get from it.
*blink* Objectivism is crazy in that respect, then.
No, people should NOT rely on others’ charity. There’s no entitlement, and that’s a feature. If your cause seems worthy, someone or some groups may voluntarily choose to provide for you. This is much less likely to foster a permanent cycle of dependence. Also, charities ‘compete’ with each other to provide more efficient, reputable service and attract more donors. Governmental bureaucracies are no better at charity than they are at running supermarkets; people are just more deluded about the former, and vote with bleeding hearts rather than what makes economic sense.
Don’t get me started on the insane tradeoff of protecting every endangered species--priceless does not mean we should pay any price. Avoiding senseless extinctions makes sense, but things also go extinct for good reason. Cuteness is as good a reason as many to save a nearly-extinct species, though there are sometimes better reasons (like trying to rebalance an ecosystem). In those situations you might have a case for collective action to better a shared ecosystem; that’s a separate issue, and can be organized in as a local nonprofit anyway.
Maybe, though Republicans might say something about using a benefit they payed into. Also, many people would be happy to take cash in place of Medicare and spend their own money, thank-you-very-much, which is comparable to Buffett choosing his own charities.
Let me see if I get you straight, Gherald (your last paragraph sort of defuses the steam of your rant a bit) — Gherald is okay if the taxes of billionaires and multimillionaires effectively get raised (whether via adjusting the top marginal rate or sweeping out all of the loopholes, as long as we are on a sustainable path which will require both revenue increases and spending cuts), he just doesn’t like it when politicians discuss raising taxes on the rich because it offends his libertarian notions about private property rights or he feels they are demagoguing the issue, correct?
Any liberal reading your post though is likely immediately thinking back to the first and fundamental argument we have with libertarians — we believe the government, while far from perfect, is our instrument for “the Commons” and an individual’s wealth is not somehow separable from the community he or she built that wealth in. As Obama made clear in his long discussion about this at Facebook yesterday, he and most wealthy people in the US owe their success to “the Commons” they grew up in, so they should be willing to pay a little more to sustain those opportunities for future generations. This just goes to the tone of your post though, as it seems you are okay with the realities of additional revenues in the current climate.
Yes, but I want flatter effective rates (factoring in payroll taxes and everything). In this space I don’t feel like haggling over what the current effective rates are: what I’m saying is that, to a first level of approximation, if we’re going to raise revenues by increasing taxes, everyone’s taxes will be going up to some degree. None of this stuff like “we’ll let 700 billion in tax cuts on the richest expire and ignore the other 3.2 trillion of Bush’s tax cuts and pretend politically popular class warfare makes us fiscally serious”.
As for the fundamental disagreement with left-liberals, I’ll have to elaborate on this another time. But in short, to be a lefty you have to be either (A) economically stupid, or (B) motivated by politics rather than what makes actual economic sense.
Rhetorically, Obama is (B). In practice, he’s more Clintonian and does his best to make sure his underlings do things that are less stupid than the official Democratic line--partly as a means of compromising with Republicans, but also because his advisors are much less economically stupid than the Democratic base, and do their best not to take people like Paul Krugman seriously. Although, they also serve the special interest of entities like Goldman Sachs in the process, which is a serious problem.
(of course Republicans have ludicrous delusions as well; that’s another topic for another day)
Gherald, I know we’re on different wavelengths here, perhaps in an unresolvable way. I just want to take issue with a few points:
* I know you want to get rid of Medicare. But, as a smart guy, surely you know that before Medicare, most seniors had no insurance at all. The older you get, the less willing companies are to insure you. Without the government guaranteeing coverage, how will old folks be able to afford it? And without the economies of scale you get from a large program like Medicare, how is it even cost-effective?
* I think there’s an extent to which overemphasizing efficiency is problematic. I won’t dispute that businesses tend to be more efficient than government--they’re structured as dictatorships. Which, endemic corruption aside, tends to be a pretty efficient way of getting things done. It’s a truism by this point that Nazi Germany was the most efficient nation in the history of the world. And lest you think I’m invoking Godwin’s Law here, I’m not trying to say market = Satan. I’m just saying that a clear chain of command is generally more efficient than shared power, checks and balances, and redundant systems of control. But we want those, right? I see this as entirely structural. Personally, if we went with a Westminster system and had two sane, mainstream parties, I reckon we’d see something considerably more efficient than we have now. I see that as the inherent and unavoidable tradeoff in play here. It’s a top-level thing--the mid-level private sector employee and the mid-level public sector employee are going to be roughly comparable in terms of skills and drive, and what rewards they get for harder work (generally, not much of one).
a couple points. first to one in the OP: “Being a good Samaritan with other people’s time and money is a morally worthless and tragically misguided cause”
I think you were just caught in the moment and didn’t mean to make such a broad statement. But, your language as written is just not true. We can argue over whether this or that policy correctly, efficiently or judiciously addresses the moral issues that underpin the policy. But the key economic issues of our time are bursting with deep and difficult moral issues.
Take Social Security of retirees as a quick, easy example. We had a problem in this country for a long time when it came to dumping off our elderly into poorly funded and horrific institutions where they were basically left to eke out a meager existence before dying a slow and and painful death. Our democratic society came together at a time when senior poverty was at a staggering 50% and, through Congress, made a profoundly moral decision to attack a situation (that had become appalling and unconscionable); by creating a safety net that would allow seniors to receive a modest income and thereby save them from the institutions, the homeless shelters, and the cold, dark alleyways that slowly sucked the lives away. I don’t see how you can view this policy — as enacted by the people duly elected by the citizens and taxpayers of this country — as “morally worthless”.
I often get to a point in conversations with libertarians (usually libertarians who are much less open-minded than you) where we’ve examined Social Security (e.g., the policy details, the means for implementation, the inefficiencies, etc.) and I finally come to the point of saying something to this effect:
“Let’s get basic premises on the table here:
(a) Is a nationwide baseline safety net (of some kind) for the old, infirm and disabled -- that is designed to eliminate as much abject poverty in these groups as is reasonably possible -- a just and moral cause for the American people to enact?
(b) If so, then what would be most effective scheme to prevent the abject poverty of as many elderly as possible?
(i) (Q) Leave people to their own devices to save and be responsible for their own retirement? (A) Nope -- because most families earning near the median American income $50k/80k (single/married) have seen their wages flatline, in adjusted terms, over the past 30 years while everything has gotten more and more expensive. This wage stagnation coupled a large chunk of inflation that has been built up during the meanwhile means that these folks usually have just enough money to pay for their daily lives and save up for a few big life events like college and a wedding, without much if anything left over to throw into a retirement plan (which will never appreciate to the value they need to retire at the right time and keep them from working menial jobs to make the ends meet).
(ii) (Q) Leave it to the states to figure out? Maybe by giving states some money do it? (A) {Cough}.. excuse me… … There, all better. So: this is simply a really bad idea. From an efficiency standpoint, have four-dozen-plus local state Social Programs, that effectively all do the same thing, is a monstrously inefficient way to go about it. You’d have hundreds of billions of dollars wasted in duplicating, well, EVERYTHING (staff, processes, bureaucracies) for each implementation. Not to mention the nightmare decades-long legal wrangling about each state setting up barriers to paying benefits to people who move around, most of which would violate the constitution’s so -called “travel clause” (see Privileges or Immunities clause). Finally, you’d have to some to terms with the fact that lots of states (see, e.g., most in the South) would likely so dramatically underfund the program (and divert most of the rest of the money to pet projects) as to make it hardly worth having. Thus, you would would have a system that is (A) vastly more inefficient, (B) highly likely to be subject to decades of state-barrier-raising and resulting court battles, and (C) an inferior system in terms of the overall number of seniors that are kept out of poverty.
(iii) (Q) What about privatize part of social security and give people personal investment accounts that they can manage like an IRA? (A) On this, my best answer really do go back to option (i) above -- because it again relies on the vast majority of future seniors making timely and prudent decisions with their accounts and its door is window is left fully open to the winds of recession, on the eve of retirement, wiping out a huge chuck of their retirement money.
[and so on and so...]
At the end of the day, these conversations usually end with some bromides like “We can fix the loose ends over time and make it better”, or “We can tech people how important it is to be timely and prudent in their investment decisions -- We’ve go to at least try” -- or something equally unsatisfying.
The simple fact is that no one has proposed a viable alternative the social security plan we currently have that would be as efficient or effective as the system we have now. And for a program that is easily in the green until at least 2035, and then flush with cash out toward the end of the century if we just eliminate the stupid income cap of $100k on FICA collections.
Anyway, that was a REALLY long comment to make a simple point. These are all profoundly moral questions that a system of democracy was set up to debate, ponder and address. “Being a good Samaritan with other people’s time and money” is not, as you say, “morally worthless”. It happens all the time in civic service and NGO work. It also happens in government because the will of the people is expressed through their elected leaders and, no matter how stupid they may often be, the citizens of this country deserve and possess the right to drive the government’s leaders and bureaucracy to address and try to remediate deeply moral issues by spending causing their tax dollars on these issues.
“As for the fundamental disagreement with left-liberals, I’ll have to elaborate on this another time. But in short, to be a lefty you have to be either (A) economically stupid, or (B) motivated by politics rather than what makes actual economic sense.”
Conservatism [or libertarianism for that matter...my insertion] is the increasingly sophisticated attempt to justify greed.”
John Kenneth Galbraith
As well say left-liberalism is an attempt to justify theft. Thanks for adding nothing to our discussion.
ROTFLMAO…no, you just don’t want to think about what that comment brings to the discussion…
Gherald,
This article represents some of your best work my friend. Outstanding writing.
The entire American public donated a whopping 2.8m dollars last year to the U.S. Treasury. Meanwhile, in 2006, Americans gave approximately $295 billion to private charity. The outrageous gap between the two displays the obvious:
The institution of government was never meant to be a charitable organization, and most people know their dollar will go infinitely further in a private charity.
Couldn’t agree more with your points.