I know there are some die-hard divided government fetishists out there who soiled themselves last night in glee at the bloodbath.  I just wanted to put out an early solicitation for posts in one years’ time that chronicle all the glorious wonders that occur, and all the intractable problems that get solved, over the intervening year.  I will be eager to post and read them.  Because I sense nothing but sunshine and puppydogs in our future. 

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  1. Rupert_Psmith says:

    Where is our resident fan of divided government? Cheer us up, buddy. Put us at ease about how all this talk this morning by Boehner about heath care reform is a "monstrosity" that must be repealed is just loose banter and he really wants to work with the White House and the Senate.

    • Metavirus says:

      if i understand the Divided Government Religion sufficiently, I think one of their main tenets is that divided government fucks government up so bad that no one is able to pass laws (which they think generally lead to fucking up the country). so i just want a divided government fetishist to write a nice big post in a year that lists all the wonderful things that a 1200% rise in intransigence and acrimony begets.

      • Gherald says:

        Government has been divided for 22 of the last 30 years. It's not some freakish thing.

        Nobody cites 93-94 (unified Democratic control) or 03-06 (unified Republican control) as good years in American policy.

        • Metavirus says:

          if you think that the current partisan dynamics between the two parties in congress and the guy in the white house is anything like what existed in the past 20-30 years, you're painfully deluded. this is pretty much all one has to know: <img src="http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/filibusters-1101.gif"&gt; sure, past can often be prologue but it is lazy thinking to simply look back on historical events and simply assume that things will turn out the same.

          so, can i get a commitment from you to write a post in a year telling how wonderfully divided government worked out over the prior year? :)

          • Metavirus says:

            <img src="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/TVNews/MSNBC%20TV/Maddow/Blog/2010/01/filibuster3.jpg">there is simply NO COMITY LEFT.

            Things like divided government, and the filibuster, make the huge assumption that there is some goodwill out there and that there are some sane-minded people who are willing to forge compromises.

            there are exactly ZERO people like that in the republican party right now.

            • Gherald says:

              Okay, here's Ezra Klein praising how much of the Democratic agenda was passed in the 09-10 Congress:

              [...] if you see the point of politics as actually getting things done, the last two years, for Democrats, have been a stunning, historic success. Whatever else you can say about the 111th Congress, it got things done.

              There was health-care reform, of course. The bill is projected to cover 32 million Americans (lifting us above 95 percent insured) while cutting the deficit by about $140 billion in the first 10 years — and by more after that. It creates competitive insurance markets in every state and ends the days in which insurers could turn you away or jack up your premiums because you have preexisting conditions. It empowers an independent commission to cut Medicare's costs and begins to ratchet back the tax break for employer-sponsored health-care insurance that's been at the root of many of our system's dysfunctions. Mark McClellan, who directed the Center for Medicaid and Medicare Services under George W. Bush, says the bill is "an important step" and that the provisions that try to move our fee-for-service system to a pay-for-performance regime "are significant in terms of their potential for reducing spending growth." And then there were the parts that few noticed, like adding nutritional information to menus and drive-through boards at chain restaurants.

              There was financial regulation, too. If you were looking for a bill that reformed the financial-services sector, as I was, Dodd-Frank probably didn't go as far as you hoped. But it did what it set out to do, creating a 21st century financial-regulation system that now includes a regulator for the consumer-financial products that filled the bubble, a systemic-risk regulator able to watch the institutions that turned the bubble into a crisis, and an array of new methods and powers that can be used to take down the firms that pose a threat to the system. And there were even some of those industry reforms that people like me wanted, notably the effort to force derivatives out of the darkness and onto exchanges and clearinghouses.

              Then there was the stimulus. Too small? Absolutely. Were there votes to make it much bigger? Probably not. And even putting aside the economic relief that the expansions of Medicaid, COBRA, food stamps, tax cuts and unemployment benefits gave to millions of Americans, or the millions of jobs the Congressional Budget Office estimates the legislation created or saved, there were the investments designed to pay dividends down the road: We've begun more than 75,000 infrastructure projects, kicked off digitization of the nation's medical records, made massive investments in green energy, started a "Race to the Top" program that even conservatives agree is changing the education system, sent billions to the National Institute of Health, and more.

              And those are just the big bills: The 111th Congress also passed Ted Kennedy's national service legislation, and the expansion of the Children's Health Insurance Program to four million more kids, and new regulations on tobacco, and the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

              Got that?

              If you're a progressive Democrat, obviously there's a lot to praise up there.

              But if you're a libertarian or a Republican, the sheer amount of activity there should fucking FREAK YOU OUT.

              It does freak me out.

              - That's why I'm quite glad Republicans forced so many cloture motions. If they had not been blocking bills, Democrats would have gone for MORE--including, among other things, double the stimulus and a public option health care.

              - That's why I voted for a Republican congressman first chance I got. The filibuster was our last line of defense, and a fragile one that depended on the whims of individuals like Ben Nelson and Olympia Snowe.

              The House is a much more reliable block, and ought to force compromises and reduce congressional action from those distressingly high 09-10 levels.

              You also said:

              [Boehner's] job until 2012 will be to make sure that absolutely nothing gets done that could possibly help the country. so obama is faced with a shitty economy again and they can get a chance of defeating him.

              First of all I reject your assumption that the high amount of Congressional action we saw in 09-10 is better than no action at all. I have the opposite perspective.

              Secondly, I'm sure it's not the case that "absolutely nothing" will get done. Some stuff is gonna get done, and it might even be a lot more than you're expecting. I don't know, and unlike you I don't pretend to know, nor do I assume there's anything resembling a 1:1 correlation between Republican campaign rhetoric and subsequent legislative (in)action.

              So again, we have an opposite perspective on the merits of congressional action. To me, less is more, and I'm quite happy to err on the side of doing nothing--whereas you'd rather we be erring on the side of Prime Minister Dennis Kucinich and Chancellor of the Exchequer Paul Krugman

              • Rupert_Psmith says:

                Poor Mies van der Rohe is rolling over in his grave at that appropriation of his axiom.

                • Gherald says:

                  Well it's not his axiom, just a motto for minimalist philosophy that predates him by several decades.

                  • Rupert_Psmith says:

                    Fair enough, but he made it famous and while I'm being a bit tongue in cheek, I hardly think it wise, given the state our country is currently in, to embrace a philosophy of stasis, or its near equivalent (even if it's accompanied with a blithe motto). I expect the American voter to be irrational (and you can't deny they were being just that if you dig into the exit polling — their notions are quite in line with the 'Understanding the Tea Party' video I posted), but if we seriously want to solve some of these problems we will have to have a certain volume of legislation to do that. This is a big, fucking country after all.

                    • Metavirus says:

                      we've pretty much just seen the apotheosis of drown the baby in the bathtub. or starve the beast. or whatever. republicans have absolutely no incentive to do anything. better to let rome burn -- that's what they WANT anyway. default on the national debt? that's fine because it will shrink government (and the wealth of everyone in the country — but it will be OBAMA'S FAULT)

                    • Gherald says:

                      If things are going to improve for the better, then yes, we need a certain amount of legislation to pass. But new entitlements and hundreds of billions in other new spending (offset by poorly-conceived revenue increases though it may be) is not my idea of solving actual problems.

                      Plus it seems to me that, as a crude heuristic, if your "solution" involves increasing the number of lines in the United States Code rather than decreasing them, you're probably part of the problem.

                    • Metavirus says:

                      i'm talking about fixing shit that YOU want fixed — whatever that is. NOTHING of consequence will be done. no major spending cuts. no major tax initiatives. no major deficit reduction. no major improvement in civil liberties. no drug law reform. no immigration law reform. NOTHING. it's not that shit that i want won't get done -- it's that NOTHING of consequence will gt done.

                      take the bet? :)

                    • Gherald says:

                      A lot of those things won't happen, true. But a lot of them didn't happen in the last four years of Democrats controlling congress and weren't going to happen anyway.

                      So no, I'm not going to bet that my dreams won't come true. That's a silly standard--they weren't going to come true anyway, and Democrats had their chance.

                    • Metavirus says:

                      well then how the heck are they ever gonna get fixed?

              • Metavirus says:

                "I'm sure it's not the case that "absolutely nothing" will get done. Some stuff is gonna get done, and it might even be a lot more than you're expecting."

                I'll bet you $50 that absolutely nothing of any serious consequence gets passed in the next two years.

                • Gherald says:

                  What's a "serious consequence" ? Are we going to repeal the entire HCR bill? No. Are we going to pass a new $700 billion stimulus, or repeal everything that remains to be spent in the last one? No.

                  But plenty of smaller things could happen.

                  I don't claim to know what will be. I'm just calling bullshit on people who do.

                  • Metavirus says:

                    sure, i'll grant you that a fair amount of small bullshit will get done. like inquisitions into global warming science. maybe a few token bites around the edges of HCR. maybe some weak tea earmark reform that will do nothing and solve nothing.

                    what i mean is that nothing will be done to seriously address our many problems. nothing will be done on carbon emissions. nothing will be done to curtail spending. nothing will be done to raise taxes. nothing will be done to decrease the deficit.

                    will you take that bet?

    • Gherald says:

      It is a monstrosity, but not one he can repeal. His job until January is to make Republicans feel good about their win.

      • Metavirus says:

        and his job until 2012 will be to make sure that absolutely nothing gets done that could possibly help the country. so obama is faced with a shitty economy again and they can get a chance of defeating him.

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