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Gherald’s new BFF appears to get a torture boner along with his Republican compatriots in Congress:
State Senator Scott Brown, the Republican candidate for US Senate, endorsed yesterday the use of enhanced interrogation techniques – including the practice of simulated drowning known as waterboarding – in questioning terror suspects.Nice guy you picked to support, G.
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Of course he has to back the issue of torture or the right wing nutcases wil send squads of insane followers to dog his campaign.
Yeah, 58% of Americans support waterboarding and most of them are Republicans.
I hope Brown isn't personally keen on such "enhanced interrogation", but I don't know. If he became a presidential contender I'd scrutinize this closely, but I don't think there's much the junior senator from Massachusetts can do to advance the cause of torture.
For the record, here's my endorsement of Brown.
You're kidding right? Senators have enormous influence in this area,which is only magnified if sarah palin, cough, or someone else gets inin 2012. Scott brown said he supports torture, what the fuck else doyou want as proof? A pic of him waterboarding a suspect?
I don't require anything else as proof that he has said he supports waterboarding and does not consider it torture. He is obviously wrong to do so, but at this juncture there is no need to read into whether it is partisan political posturing or what he would actually do in a position of direct power to torture people.
As a Senator he'll only have legislative and oversight power, and I'm sorry but I don't think 58% of Americans are automatically disqualified from serving as Senators because they are mistaken about this one issue, just like someone who's unreasonably anti-abortion wouldn't automatically be disqualified.
Um, I'm sure you do realize that affirmatively advocating for tortureis a little different than opposing abortion, right?
In the article you link to, Brown says: "I don’t support torture; the United States does not support torture". Clearly his position is that waterboarding is not torture. So he advocates that we do it if we can get useful intelligence from it.
Similarly there are Republicans who think zygotes or small fetuses are people. So they oppose any abortion.
Both are mainstream Republican positions that I consider morally indefensible. In either case, does this mean I can't endorse a Republican who holds them?
Yes. It does. Waterboarding is, according to Cambodia, the Phillipinesand John McCain TORTURE. If you support waterboarding, you supportTORTURE. PERIOD. As a result, someone advocating waterboarding isaffirmativley advocating TORTURE. As a result, this is 10 billiontimes different from someone wanted to legislate to prevent abortionbecause they belive it is wrong. Torture is universally (well, exceptfor the fucktards in the country who watch 24 and masturbate to dickcheney) ILLEGAL, IMMORAL and against US and INTL LAW
You're not going to prove anything extra with all caps, I agree that waterboarding is torture, illegal, and immoral.
For largely partisan reasons, many people disagree on this matter of fact. It's like disbelieving evolution, or believing the law gives you the right to rob banks or rape people.
It's wrong and I condemn it and have done my part to educate people otherwise. But it doesn't mean I can't endorse him over a Democrat who toes her own party line as part of its run against Bush strategy but has a worse record on human rights and in many other areas besides.
Whatever you say to justify supporting someone who supports torture.Good luck living with yourself a few years hence
Jesus fucking Christ man, his first speech on the Senate floor could be a vociferous defense of Bush-Cheney "enhanced interrogation" and and I would still live with myself just fine. I'm not a single issue voter.
Strange to think of torture as a ' single issue' to be considered among others
Yeah well when 58% of people are in favor of something, it's a political issue. Welcome to the fucked up post-9/11 world.
I am not going to adopt a single issue 42% strategy. I have common ground with Brown--certainly more so than with Coakley--and shall pursue it. That's how politics works.
Like I said, who cares if he has principles or wants to torturepeople, as long as he sticks a sabot in the machinery of the evildems' spending spree right? If support for torture isn't a dealbreaker for you, I wonder what would be?
you need to use more caps grape, MORE CAPS AND YOU WIN!!
hehe :P
Seriously. If you base your assessment on what 58% of what theamerican people think then you will be perpetually fucked. I hate tobreak it to you but most of the people in the world are ignorant andmorally retarded. Surprise!
If you base _all_ your assessment on what 58% of the American people think, you're perpetually fucked. But also if you totally ignore what the American people think and run as a principled Barry Goldwater, you won't accomplish anything.
Did Obama's lack of support for gay marriage prevent you from supporting him?
You have to pick your battles. If there was danger of the US becoming a nation that waterboards again, I would not support Brown. I did after all vote Democratic in '06 and '08 largely against this and the broader war on terror.
But Obama's in office now and this is yesterday's issue. Brown is wrong to defend the Bush-Cheney record and call for it to continue. But he's saying what a mainstream Republican has to say to be elected. You don't buck your party on 42% issues (well, 30% against waterboarding and 12% undecided) in a tough campaign like this.
Scott doesn't support waterboarding, he supports using 'harsh language" like most hate-America libs want. Give them some nice NY bagels when they come to NY like the KSM trial. How about a Yankees game or a Broadway show? Barry O. will use some taxpayer $ to show his friends a good time.
Maybe feed the terrorists one of Obama's speeches to listen to or Keith Ubermann in a loop-NOW THAT'S TORTURE. Waterboarding is torture? Yeah, right. I did worse dunking the neighborhood girls in the public pools when I was 13.
BTW lib hateAmerica lamebrains under the Fourth Geneva Convention civilian prisoners must be protected from "cruel treatment and torture" and "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment" (Article 3). These terrorists are neither prisoners of war nor civilians, but rather fall into an intermediate category of unlawful combatants so unless they want to put on a uniform and claim a nation UNDER THE LAW they can be tortured. And waterboarding IS NOT TORTURE.
My ignorance and incoherence meter just asploded. Nonsense like this is why the GOP is so unelectable.
I wounder if he would change is mind if he, or any of his family, was water boarded? To get all the deniers' to see the light would they all have to be water boarded? But then we would feed his other great fantasy, about how the great liberal government will come and put them all in camps. When in reality it was the idiot Bush that lead a Republican Congress to pass the legislation that limits our freedoms the most.
Yet another denying Republican spi doctor at work. According to treaties signed by the USA at the end of WWII waterboarding is torture. If that definition is good enough for for my parents and grandparents it is good enough for me. The Republicans have had to spin doctor this subject ever since their idiot screwed up, pulled of the intelligence accesses from watching the terrorists to figuring out whys to invade Iraq and all that oil. As US military commanders have repeatedly stated that torture does not revel useful information, and even the idiot quite using it by 2004, you are simply advocating its use for revenge and kicks. Which is another reason you have to spin the issue so hard.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BB18Q20091…
yeah, I'm paying about $.01/gal- how about you? More hate-America conspiracy from the morons on the left.
http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/Content/Article.asp…
Yeah again. KSM was giving freakin seminars after he was waterboarded. We're so sorry Americans that we got 3 terrorists heads wet who live every day to plot and plan to kill our families and friends. Hey "schster", put your sorry butt or your family on a plane and have their entrails blown to bits and see if you want any of these cowards getting their heads wet. Typical stupid, hypocritical, ignorant , moronic hate-America, terrorist loving libs.
God you people are so stupid and I know you are intellectually challenged, but as I told you your friends, the terrorists, do NOT fall under the Geneva convention in any way shape or form. Get one of your hate-America lib buddies like Al Gore making billions off of “cap/tax” to buy them a country and get them some uniforms. Maybe then we won't get their head wet.
Hey clown, btw, hows that hoax & change working out for you?
Gosh, your hatred for libs seems to know no bounds does it.
Another mad dog conspiracy theorist. It does not mater to him that there is no evidence that torture produces any result but revenge by the torturers. That 9/11 was a direct result of the Bush/Cheney administration sending all of our intelligence assets at looking for ways to invade Iraq. That our top military officials abhor the idea. And then of course we have the classic GOP argument that if we do not agree with them that we are stupid and anti-American. Not a logical argument in his bag.
well KSM 'sang like a bird' at Gitmo chief. Yeah, I guess you were the kid in high school who was afraid to fight back thinking the bully wouldn't hit you again and again.
It's that stupid, dangerous, illogical, weak, terrorist friendly attitude that scares me. Sure, tear dwon Gitmo and don't torture, then thy'll LIKE US, right??
Yes, your argumet is just chock full of logic. Why do I waste my time with you morons. Get on your knees and face Mecca and pray to your god Nobama.
BTW, not that I do but I always wondered about you libs saying conservatives cozy up to Palin, Rush, Beck, etc. Well at least conserv hae someone; It's a shame you losers don't have anyone
What is that even supposed to mean? My brain hurts
More ramblings from the wired side. If KSM sang like a bird just what toons did he sing? What pertinant information did he provide? If we tear down Gitmo and follow our laws for a change it is for our benift not theirs. Who cares if they like us! As to the rest of your rant it us the usual if you are against us then you are the enemy. Just a spiled bully who cannot get his way and cannot understand how he lost an election.
Lol