(0 comments)Percentage of Americans who believe in a God or universal spirit: 92
Percentage of Americans who believe in miracles: 80
Percentage of Americans who believe in angels: 55
Percentage of Americans with favorable opinion of Palin: 46
Percentage of Americans who believe in evolution: 39
Percentage of Americans who believe in anthropogenic global warming: 36
Percentage of Americans who believe in ghosts: 34
Percentage of Americans who believe in UFOs: 34
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not sure what your thesis is. yes, there are dozens of millions of people in this country who are stupid and/or remain willfully uninformed. we're not being well-served by a mainstream media that devotes 90% of its coverage to the HORSE RACE of health care reform, rather than the SUBSTANCE of the competing proposals. it's both an indictment of our current media climate as well as the nervous, apathetic, portly, ignorant americans who fail to care enough to do anything about anything.
and p.s., you're drawing false comparisons between survey sets when you juxtapose a question that asks "Could you explain…" against a question that asks "Do you believe in…". I suspect the numbers would be even lower if asked "Could you explain evolution."
My thesis is that people are credulous and uninformed.
I compared the explain figure with belief in UFOs/ghosts, but I think it's safe to assume that the number of people who can explain what ghosts and UFOs are is greater than the number of people who believe in them.
Granted that's not so interesting since a policy position like the public option gets a lot less exposure than more entertaining stuff like UFOs and ghosts. But I still find it quite sad that more people affirm a belief in such things than have taken time to understand what the public option is.
Basically the explain chart is really only there to show most don't know what they're talking about when they offer support/opposition. For the other issues (angels, ghosts, UFOs, unbelief in evolution, AGW) this cluelessness is already implied by the belief.
agreed with you 100% that 50-75% of the people in this country are willfully credulous, ignorant and uninformed on most things. it's the apathy and malaise that creeps in to a people when the comforts get too comfortable, the pleasures get too pleasurable and the horrors of modern war always happen "over there" and our biggest cities avoid being demolished by the advancing hordes. it's what kills a polity and a people. just like that huxley cartoon you put up a while back. the fat complacent public leaves WALL-E behind to clean up their garbage while they're whisked into space and are tended to by robots and computers that pleasantly relieve them of the bother of caring or staying informed. i hope we can skip the vomitoriums in our slide to empire decline (although I guess sororities might count).
While I can credit your believe in atheism and argue that you are entitled to your believe, I would argue with you that my believe in the Lord is credulous and uninformed. It would seem that you believe that the universe was created by one accidental action after another while I believe in a divine creator. Neither of us can convincingly argue our case to the other because each of us refuse to believe what the other does. But does that give you the right to call my beliefs uninformed and easily fooled or swindled? In reality which position is more credulous? It is more ridicules to believe that the universe was created by God or just a comic accident?
I like you schu so i hope you don't take it the wrong way, but it is in fact more empirically ridiculous to believe in a universe created by God versus some cosmic accident. A belief in the former is based on nothing but feelings and beliefs, whereas the latter is based on countless decades of experimental science that has been proven to be true. You are welcome to your belief and I'm glad it gives you comfort.
If I took things the wrong way, or had a thin skin, I would not be posting on this board. If I understand your thoughts correctly you are more comfortable believing that scientific guess work is more viable than religion. That you will slavishly follow this until the next big discovery comes along. Scientific observations of the forming of the universe and our world are similar to observing a jungle threw the knotholes in a wooden fence. Does that mean that I throw out all scientific evidence? No. But I do understand that it is our very best guess for right now with the evidence that we now have.
Also atheism doesn't imply any particular positive belief, only a lack of belief.
For understanding the universe's "accidentalness", I apply some anthropic reasoning.
Agreed.
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I readily agree that there are a large number of stupid people in the world, and in the good old USA. After all Busk/Cheney managed to get elected twice. I would really like to see this done in the UK, France, or Sweden.
I think there is a huge gulf between something you believe in and something that is a fact. When people find out I am a biologist they are always asking me if I believe in evolution. The thing is, evolution is just a general description of events that took place to get us where we are now. In simple terms it is the model for how things change over time. Now there are many mechanisms responsible for this change such as natural selection and as new data becomes known we build a more complete model. As scientists that is what we do. We model natural phenomenon. Now, I don't believe in Evolution like it was my religion, aliens or ghosts. Those things are not natural phenomena. Those things cannot be explained through modeling.
Personally, I feel like when people do these studies and ask people if they believe in evolution they are belittling and degrading it. It isn't something one believes in any more than one believes that 2 + 2 = 4. In both instances there are NO competing answers. 2 + 2 does not = 5. No one would question that and yet, people have to believe in evolution which is fact. I don't think people have to believe in the Laws of Thermodynamics or Cell Theory. Scientific Theories and Laws are not on the same level as feeling or intuition or reading oft translated books thousands of years old and written hundreds of years after the events supposedly happened. Science is about measuring and explaining the things that we can observe with our senses. All that other stuff is completely out of our realm and are not related in any way except through the wild imagination of those whose beliefs are threatened.
In simple terms. Facts don't require believing because they are facts. Both the Big Bang Theory and Evolution are essentially facts. According to that information 61% of Americans think they can disregard facts that they find inconvenient with their beliefs. No wonder our country is in such bad shape.
Well, only 25% don't believe, 36% have no opinion.
Sorry but the answer is in the name, the Big Bang Theory. It is not a fact but our best guess.
Your comment demonstrates a common lack of familiarity with the meaning of 'theory' in science.
The Big Bang is an established cosmological model with an overwhelming factual basis. It is not a guess anymore than, say, Einstein's general theory of relativity.
Unknowns remain, such as details about the singularity at the center of the Big Bang or how to reconcile general theory with quantum mechanics. But this doesn't make the theory guesswork.
After checking three or four various dictionaries I still find the work theory defined as a guess. It might be the first listing or it might be the eight listing but it is still a guess. Also the Big Bang Theory is just one theory explaining the observed data. I believe you are making a common mistake in assuming that the most popular explanation is the only one.
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe
Is the standard Big Bang theory the only model consistent with these evidences? No, it's just the most popular one. Internationally renown Astrophysicist George F. R. Ellis explains: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations….
http://www.big-bang-theory.com/
The important claims of the Big Bang Theory--that the observable Universe had an origin and has since expanded over time--have been established.
Alternative models requiring the Earth to be placed in an arbitrary symmetrical location are improbable.
A hypothesis is an educated guess. A theory is an interpretation of the collected data that cannot be disproved. The way science works is you see a natural phenomenon and want to understand it. You form your best guess about it, the hypothesis, construct an experimental model to test the hypothesis and proceed to collect the data. Now a hypothesis is not a theory. A guess is not a theory. In my very first biology class the text describes a theory this way: " the word theory is reserved for a conceptual scheme that is supported by a large number of observations and has not been found lacking."
The list of biological theories are: Cell theory, biogenesis, homeostasis, evolution and gene. The only problem with something like evolution and the big bang theory is that they take place over such a long period of time that they are not provable or else they would be called Laws just like the Laws of Motion or the Laws of Thermodynamics. And evolution encompasses everything in biology. Nothing in biology is understandable or makes sense without the evolution framework. One of the big problems we have in medicine is that doctors didn't understand evolution and now we have drug resistent bacteria that are more lethal than normal. These are important ideas and should not be dismissed flippantly or ever. Knowledge is a powerful and useful thing and I guess the people of this country have forgotten that or else the liars and manipulators and propaganda artists couldn't be successful.
> they are not provable or else they would be called Laws
This is common misunderstanding; 'law' is reserved for universal and invariable facts of the physical world. Theories may put forth a set of laws, but it's not necessary for them to do so.
Even if the Big Bang and evolution were proved beyond any conceivable doubt, they probably wouldn't be laws, just descriptions of events.
I suppose the concept of 'survival of the fittest' could be formulated as a law.
I am not dismissing flippantly the ideas expressed in the theories but discussing the terminology of the language used.
You are somewhat correct as astrophysicists and theoretical physicists tend to get more credit than they deserve on the theory front. One example is string theory. Now string theory isn't really a theory in the vein that evolution is a theory. String theory is a hypothesis and not even a good one at that. It is an attempt at unifying the data but falls well short as it has to invent unknowns (11 dimensions for example) to explain the data. The big bang does explain our data. It isn't without holes but it does explain the data and doesn't rely on dreamed up ideas to do it. Sometimes I think astrophysics is more akin to religion than to science but I am not an expert in that area of science so I don't criticize.
i guess it depends on what area of astrophysics you're talking about. tons of astrophysical theories have been confirmed by measurements and experimental data. the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation comes to mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_bac…
I have followed some heavy theological discussion that are clearer than that. If I understand what I read correctly the past had to happen the way you believe for things to turn out the way they have. That the formation of the universe was like a algebra problem with only one answer. An interesting believe. But what then happens to your beliefs if new discoveries are made, of if the old answers are found to be in error?
Theological discussions being clearer is no more to the point than the Terminatrix comic being clearer. A lot of things become clearer when you make arbitrary assumptions.
[Though theology does run into problems when it makes contradictory assumptions, such as a perfectly just God doling out infinite punishment for finite sins.]
Anthropic reasoning need not involve beliefs. For instance, the weak anthropic principle is a truism that dismantles teleology.
[Teleological arguments were considered by many to be the strongest case for the existence of god(s), and people unfamiliar with anthropic reasoning still accept them.]
> But what then happens to your beliefs if new discoveries are made, of if the old answers are found to be in error?
Belief is the wrong word to use here, it's too imprecise.
When new discoveries or explanations are made that provide better answers than old ones, they should obviously be embraced. It's the theists who have the biggest problem accepting new evidence (just ask Galileo and Darwin).
New science can cause old knowledge to be discarded when it reveals that the underlying data was faulty. But most often accepted data is not faulty, and new science merely extends our understanding of it. For instance Newton's laws of motion gave way to Einstein's relativity. But there's still an enormous amount of evidence in support of Newton's laws and they're still extremely useful. Einstein's discovery was that they're actually approximations for the behavior of matter at speeds much slower than light.
[Relativity says that as you get closer to the speed of light you need to subtract time from distance equations.]
This discussion reminds me of the "Allegory of the Cave" from the The Great Dialogues of Plato. To me you seem to want to project the constantly changing perceptions of science as the answer to the creation of the universe, which seems to be based on a series of events that happen by themselves to produce what we perceive as the universe today. That the complex organisms that surround us are produced by a remarkable string of circumstances that we cannot explain. But yet you deny that this is a belief system. An Interesting perception.
Huh? Complex organisms evolved from less complex ones over time. Biologists have overwhelming evidence for this.
Now if you want to believe that some white-bearded dude with unlimited powers created everything in a few days and just decided to make it look like life evolved on its own, okay.
I merely look at the natural world and try to find the best explanations for things. Call this a belief system if you like; I'm happy with its lack of arbitrary assumptions.
Unfortunately you have seemed to miss the whole point of the Allegory or my objection to your classification.
Well you appear to be suggesting that naturalists like me are looking at shadows on the wall emanating from the actions of an unseen Creator.
If you have a different point, I'm not seeing it.
No, I am suggesting that all of us are seeing the shadows on the wall and drawing our observations from it.
wow, i missed quite an interesting conversation today while out negotiating a deal.
Im gonna side with the 80 percent whe believe in miracles,
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