... (0 comments)The man who gunned down abortion provider George Tiller is now saying that similar attacks are planned:
The man charged with murdering a high-profile abortion doctor claimed from his jail cell Sunday that similar violence was planned around the nation for as long as the procedure remained legal, a threat that comes days after a federal investigation launched into his possible accomplices.A Justice Department spokesman said the threat was being taken seriously and additional protection had been ordered for abortion clinics last week. But a leader of the anti-abortion movement derided the accused shooter as “a fruit and a lunatic.”
Scott Roeder called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail, where he’s being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the shooting of Dr. George Tiller one week ago.
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. When asked by the AP what he meant and if he was referring to another shooting, he refused to elaborate further.
John Cole makes exactly the right point about this “ticking time bomb” scenario:
If we don’t torture this guy, why not? Are squeamish Americans only cool with torturing brown people?Since there is no doubt that we have a history of anti-abortion domestic terrorism, and since we know that evangelicals already support torture for everyone, when do we get to start waterboarding this guy? Does he have any children whose testicles can be crushed? Will we keep him up for weeks on end in stress positions in extremely cold rooms to get him to break? Beat him? All the right made a very good show of how shocked and appalled they were when this man killed Dr. Tiller, so surely they will not object. So when do we get to start torturing this guy?
And of course, the answer should be “NEVER.” Torture is wrong. Torture is immoral. Torture is evil. Torture is illegal. Torture does more violence to our values than it does to the individual being tortured. Torture is unreliable. Torture is counter-productive- everything someone says after being tortured should be treated as suspect.
Update: Conservative Conor Friedersdorf agrees:
Update 2: As does Jeff Fecke:Forgive me for reiterating a point I’ve made before, but now that the guy who killed that abortion doctor is claiming he knows that more anti-abortion terrorist attacks are coming, the logic of the “enhanced interrogation technique” crowd really does suggest that he ought to be put on the waterboard, slammed into the wall, shackled naked in stress positions, etc.
And it is equally evident that this guy won’t be tortured — and rightfully so — because even though lives are at risk, it seems plain as day that torture is wrong when it is an American in custody, even when the American is charged with murder and making explicit threats, whereas some of the foreigners we tortured turned out to have been guilty of nothing except being rounded up by bounty hunters.
So I’m sure the right will join me in calling for torture “enhanced interrogation techniques” to be used against Roeder, just to see what he’s up to.What? No takers?
Funny, isn’t it? When the terrorist isn’t brown, the bloodlust just isn’t as fun for you guys.
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Schu says:
This post by strawman seems to be a standard form that he uses on several different blogs. Could be that he does not have the ability to respond to the question, and just wants to state his somewhat strange position. As I said the last time he posted this, Strawman seems to be a sick individual that wants to blame the government for all our problems.
Anoymous says: I don't want violence and hope it is not needed but there comes a time when to right a Terrible evil wrong doing it has been used in the past to change things for the better. Example one, Our country was being taxed without representation and the people regulated beyond reason by the British. That was morally wrong and it finally took a war to end our slavery and give us freedom. Ex two, We once had a terrible law saying Black people were nonpeople and we had slavery. IT WAS LEAGAL>That was morally wrong. After many debates etc it took a war to rid our nation of this evil practice. Ex 3 Abortion The law says little unborn chidren are nonpeople, so no protection under our constitution. SOUND FAMILIAR??? It is a evil barbaric practice. Will history show a war etc had to be fought for this evil thing to be changed?? I hope not, but under Obama It is being encouraged by his policies. In the first two examples I'm sure many people were called terrorists and law breakers by the sides that wanted to continue slavery and the domination by the British. Abortion is as evil and immoral as either of the other events. Maybe more so because the baby has no way to fight for his own life! Think about it .
Schu says: Anonymous is using several projections to try to assume that his position is morally right, and everyone else is wrong. His first projection is that anyone supporting pro-choice is in the same position as the British were in opposing the colonist’s independence, hence anyone who supports pro-choice is unpatriotic. He then projects that anyone who is pro-choice is equivalent to the slave holders in the civil war, and equivalent to their moral standards. He then gives the argument that a fetus has the same rights as a baby, which means that it born and breathing. The only thing that I can agree with Anonymous is that if certain religious organizations keep projecting their beliefs on the rest of will result in armed conflect.
Rick says: I love how the left can compare the two, It just shows how out of touch they are!!! I hope Obama uses the same argument America would love to hear that one!!!
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i understand. one terrorist is a white guy, the other is brown. makes perfect sense.
Schu says: Rick, lets see if I understand your position. There is some kind of difference between how we should treat a domestic terrorist assassination suspect and how we treat foreign terrorists? I mean besides the color of their skin, or their religious beliefs? As to your comment about the president, if you had any linking to what goes on with the law, you would know that the president, as a government official cannot comment on a ongoing investigation with out jeopardizing it.
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We only torture people with whom Dick Cheney disagrees.
Torture is illegal. We must try to gain the killer's confidence, remember?
Even though this is written in tongue and check, I hope, it still is a scary idea. If we allow anything like this we become something worse than the assassin. We cannot allow ourselves to sink to the level that Cheney has reached. In attempts to justify his actions the assassin is trying to build upon the idea that he is just the tip of a hate movement that revivals the costume clowns of the KKK era. Even if this is true we gain noting by sinking to their level.
definitely meant to be snark. the problem is that if torture is ok against scary moooooslems, then it must also be ok against our on homegrown terrorists.
But, as we have discussed earlier, torture is not ok for use on anyone, because it does not develop ant useful intelligence. It is only used for revenge. And yes I realize that you are provoking the Cheney supporters, and they deserve it.
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