(0 comments)Remember, back in the day, when Bush and the rest of the Republican Party were calling on all of us to defer to the “commanders on the ground” when it came to military and national security policy?
Remember how Republican leaders like John McCain seemed to harbor a cringe-inducing man-crush on General David Petraeus?
Oh, how the worm has turned.
Now that a Democrat is in office, the Republican leadership in Washington is insisting that the President ignore the advice of Admiral Mike Mullen and General Petraeus (both of whom served under Premier Bush) when it comes to the issues of closing Guantanamo and torture.
Here’s what General Petraeus had to say:
And here’s Admiral Mullen:General David Petraeus said this past weekend that President Obama’s decision to close down Gitmo and end harsh interrogation techniques would benefit the United States in the broader war on terror.
In an appearance on Radio Free Europe Sunday, the man hailed by conservatives as the preeminent military figure of his generation left little room for doubt about where he stands on some of Obama’s most contentious policies…
“I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention … With respect to Guantanamo, I think that the closure in a responsible manner … But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees.”
Why do the Republicans hate America?Mullen dismissed criticism by former Vice President Dick Cheney this week against the president’s argument that Guantanamo Bay has served as an effective recruiting tool for al Qaeda.
“The concern I’ve had about Guantanamo in these wars is it has been a symbol, and one which has been a recruiting symbol for those extremists and jihadists who would fight us. So and I think that centers — you know, that’s the heart of the concern for Guantanamo’s continued existence, in which I spoke to a few years ago, the need to close it,” Mullen said.
Update: Here’s Steve Benen:
Now, I’ve been critical at times of Petraeus (and Powell, for the matter), and I’m not suggesting their arguments have merit only when I agree with their conclusions.
The point is that Petraeus’ position makes the Republican attacks that much less credible. In most GOP circles, there’s practically a religious reverence for Petraeus, and yet he now seems to have no use for the right’s single most important arguments of the day.
As a matter of policy, Obama is obviously right and his detractors are clearly wrong. But as a matter of political optics, we’re now dealing with a situation in which the president’s position — the one the right thinks is dangerous, naive, and terrorist-friendly — has been endorsed by Bush’s Defense Secretary (Gates), Bush’s chairman of the Joint Chiefs (Mullen), Bush’s Secretary of State (Powell), and the general Bush tapped to head U.S. Central Command (Petraeus).
On the other side, we have Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, and some craven members of Congress.
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The Republican Party is trapped in it current belief and usage of situation ethics. When they could be used to further their scams, Bush's Defense Secretary (Gates), Bush's chairman of the Joint Chiefs (Mullen), Bush's Secretary of State (Powell), and the general Bush tapped to head U.S. Central Command (Petraeus) were hero’s, when they can no longer be used to further these scams, the are goats.
People who believe that detainees should be tortured in any jail guatanamo or elsewhere lack commonsense and humanity but I guess it is already established that conservative republicans lack these things anyway . If there is a prisoner and he is suspected of a crime , you question them , make them stand a trial and punish them according to the law . What purpose will torture serve ? The only one can be that of the terrorists who will recruite more and more young people by telling them, look this is what America does and believes in . I am from Pakistan and Dr. Aafia Siddiqui was also basically a Pakistani who was captured under the suspicion of ties with al qaida. She was detained for many years in a US controlled prison in Afghanistan .I wont go into details about her as they can easily be obtained from internet .
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Here are some excerpts from wikipedia about her:
“On July 7, 2008 the Daily Times of Pakistan quoted British journalist Yvonne Ridley that a Pakistani woman had been held in solitary confinement, for years, in the Bagram Theater internment facility . Her identity remains unconfirmed. She has been nicknamed the "gray lady of Bagram". However Ridley speculates that she is Aafia Siddiqui.
Moazzam Begg and several other former captives have reported that a female prisoner, prisoner 650, was held in Bagram.[16] According to The Daily Times and Adnkronos news service the former captives report she has lost her sanity, and cries all the time. Ridley wrote about Bagram's "Prisoner 650" and her ordeal of torture and repeatedly being raped for over four years. "The cries of (this) helpless woman echoed (with such torment) in the jail that (it) prompted prisoners to go on hunger strike." Ridley called her a "gray lady (because) she (was) almost a ghost, a spectre whose cries and screams continue to haunt those who heard her. This would never happen to a Western woman."
wow. some of my darkest thoughts about this time come from me trying to put myself into the shoes of an innocent muslim being captured by the U.S. how would that feel? how terrified would you be? how powerless would you feel? how much would it shake your faith in civilization?
yes that's true and lets say even if she wasnt innocent and she actually worked for al qaida , even then is such a brutal inhumane treatment justified?
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Here’s what was reported about her condition:
•one of her kidneys had been removed while in captivity;
•her teeth had been removed;
•her nose had been broken, and improperly reset;
•that her recent gun-shot wound had been incompetently dressed, was oozing blood, leaving her clothes soaked with blood
Here’s another paragraph from wikipedia:
“Dr Aafia Siddiqui refused to appear in a New York court on Thursday, September 4 2008, in protest against the humiliating treatment to which she is being subjected and because of her traumatised physical, mental and emotional condition. Her lawyer, Fink, gave the court a chilling description of the strip searches that Siddiqui is being made to endure every time she is visited, even by her lawyer. She refused to appear in court because she did not want to be subjected to the torture and humiliation of another strip search”
sigh. what barbarians we became. and all because cheney got scared and wanted to do horrible shit to people
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Now I want to know how can bush , cheney or these other criminals justify any of that? These types of treatment given to the detainees will only create more and more hatred in the hearts of people of the world for america and help make the job of terrorists easier when they show new young and naïve recruits these stories and images and urge them to fight against america