This sounds exactly right to me:
What conservatives are missing here is that this is a fight they were winning before they started gunning for Pelosi. Their best ally in this fight was Barack Obama, whose desire to “move forward” rather than focusing on the past had been the subject of much consternation. Had conservatives simply reached out to grab the hand that was being extended to them, they could have gotten what they wanted.Steve Benen opines:But in their zeal to score a tactical win, the right has made a truth commission more likely not less likely. Obama wanted to avoid a backward-looking focus on torture in part because it distracted from his legislative agenda. But if we’re going to be looking backward anyway, thanks to conservatives’ insistence on complaining about Pelosi, then the move forward strategy lacks a rationale. And far from forcing a standoff in which Pelosi will abandon her support for an investigation, the right has forced her into a corner from which she can’t give in to moderate Democrats’ opposition to such a move without looking like she’s cravenly attempting to save her own skin.
Republicans were getting exactly the result they wanted, right up until they thought to go after Pelosi. Now, the liberal Democratic House Speaker and the conservative Republican RNC chairman are saying the same thing: let’s investigate and get the whole story.Indeed, Pelosi has been using this to great effect. When the right argues that she’s lying or was somehow complicit in Bush’s alleged crimes, she always responds with the same compelling answer: “Let’s have an investigation and see who’s right.”
As far as the strategy goes, Republicans should have taken “yes” for an answer.
If Republicans really want to find out “what Pelosi knew” (not that an answer to that question would actually, you know, have any bearing on whether torture was okay), it just so happens that the best way to do that is to establish some kind of independent investigatory authority.
As they say, be careful what you wish for…
Update: Consider the fact that more people think the CIA probably lied about what they told Nancy Pelosi than not:
Forty-three percent (43%) of voters nationwide say that it’s at least somewhat likely that the Central Intelligence Agency misled Nancy Pelosi about the use of waterboarding when interrogating prisoners.But the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey also found that 41% say it’s not likely the CIA did so.
In typical partisan fashion, 62% of Democrats give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt while 62% of Republicans hold the opposite view. As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 38% say the CIA may have misled the current House speaker, but 48% say it’s not likely.
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Actually, I'd think both Republicans and Democrats would welcome a "truth commission." It would allow them to look like they are doing something without actually accomplishing anything. What is needed is a criminal investigation. A commission will go a long way to making sure we never have a real investigation.
agreed. i am still torn on the issue of truth commission vs. prosecutions. i basically want the strongest option available. if Holder refuses to appoint a special prosecutor then a truth commission is at least better than nothing. this truly is a critical test for our democracy. if we have the power to bring a president to the point of being kicked out of office for a perjury charge, then hopefully we have the fortitude to investigate and prosecute people responsibility for torturing people
If by 'we' you mean the American people then you refer to a group lacking any political power whatsoever. 'We' does not exist anymore than 'our' government does. Oh, yes, there is a confab of politicians that indeed govern us; but they are not 'our' government, they are 'the' government. haven't you noticed that after the election is over and the votes are counted that nothing 'we' voted for ever gets done? Have you noticed anyone in danger of losing their home bailed out? Have you gotten any part of the nearly one trillion dollars in bailout money doled out by 'our' government? If 'we' want a government of, for and by the people then 'we' are going to need to get off our asses and out into the street to fight for it because as a result of nearly thirty years of conservative control the government of the USA belongs to the corporations. As far as seeing anything even remotely resembling justice in this country I would saying the proverbial snowball in hell will thrive before you see it.
you make a good point. a lot of people just recede into the woodwork after the election and think the people they voted in will just go forth and do good without needing to be held to account. just like with the republicans, we must hold the dems' feet to the fire and demand that they do the job they were elected to do
We don't need a "Truth Commission" because we already have confessions by the perpetrators at the top, and we have massive amounts of evidence, including documents, eye witness accounts, videos and pictures.
We need a Special Prosecutor to start criminal investigations immediately!
What I find interesting, is that anyone would believe the CIA!
Lindsey Graham debates himself on torture. He can't get his own argument straight.
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is it just me or does lindsay graham creep you the f out? he just looks like a greasy child molester who hangs around public parks
Lindsay Graham is slimy and creepy and full of himself. A legend in his own mind.